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that's an effective ad too. it would be garbage as policy. i would urge the democrats to keep the eye on the ball with universal background checks whatever the politics of the moment are although i doubt they are listening to me because they are there on the house floor and they are fired up. we're going to see what happens next. thank you so much. that is all in. we'll be following the developments all night. rachel maddow starts now. my latest proud moment in i am proud to work with chris hayes is when you just ripped off an angry top of your head completely accurate detailed summery of the fiduciary rule of a way of explaining what was going to happen next this this fight. you are a special kind of cat chris hayes. >> thank you. thank you for joining us. congressman john lewis is going to be joining us live in a
moment. he's the one who kicked off who has been a day long historically unprecedented sit in on the floor of the house today. we're expecting a live hit with senator correy booker who crossed from one side of the capital to the other to join members in the house in what they're doing which is unprecedented. we are expecting a very late night of televised live political coverage here at msnbc as this dramatic event in washington which started before noon as it continues through night possibly into the early hours of tomorrow. one member of congress today when asked directly how long she was prepared to continue this sit in, she responded by saying she was prepared to be there until hell freezes over. we've got the thermostat with a video camera on it in hell to tell you if that happens and
that would send the democrats home. even as things have gone nuts in this particular way in washington today, i do think at times like this as we keep an eye on what's going on there whether the republicans are about to storm the house floor and whether or not there's going to be a physical space altercation between the house democrats and the house republicans which house republicans are threatening to do over the course of this hour, this is really nuts and we don't know what's going to happen over the course of this hour and we will keep cameras on as best we can as we continue to monitor what is essentially illegal streaming live video off the floor of the house. but when crazy moments like this happen in congress, i think it is fair to remember that things do sometimes go crazy in washington. it's not like really strange things never happen in congress. it was a hot summer day, a friday in july in 2003 in the summer of 2003 was a time when
washington was on edge. the war in iraq had started and the president had declared mission accomplished. it was clear that the war was grinding on and would continue to do so indefinitely. at the same time that summer the whole rational for the war, this idea that iraq had weapons of mass destruction that rational was unraveling. that was happening that hot tense summer in washington, d.c. 2003. republicans were in control of the white house and the the senate and the house. so that was the stage on that hot july day and that friday in july in 2003 things really did go nuts. even in a way more nuts than they did today. when it happened in 2003 it started with a fight off a pension bill. republicans were trying to pass something, democrats were trying to slow it down. when what otherwise might have been a standard partisan dispute
went off the rails. democrats decided in the midst of this argument they were having that they were going to leave one of their democratic members in the committee room with all the republicans while the rest of the democrats retreated to another room in the capitol to work out their strategy. unfortunately or i guess fortunately depending on your disposition, the one guy who democrats decided to leave behind to hold the fort against all the rest of the republicans was a famously democratic loose cannon named pete stark and pete stark decided he was not going to just take up space and prevent the republicans from doing something by unanimous consent, he was not going to delay things politely until the rest of the democrats could get back in the room, he decided if he was going to be the one democrat in the room with those republicans he was going to fight with all of those republicans. almost literally.
after one republican congressman, that hot july friday, 2003, one republican congressman told pete stark that he should shut up and thereafter transcripts from the time show congressman pete stark saying to that republican congressman in response, quote, you think you're big enough to make me you little wimp. come on. come over here and make me. i dare you you little fruit cake. and then he says it again. you little fruit cake. i said you are a fruit cake. now depending on your view of the word fruit cake, depending on how you like politics that was awesome a confrontation or a terrible confrontations. some liberals at the time started a campaign to double down on the fruit cake threat. they started a mini campaign to send actual fruit cakes through to the mail to republican kmarman of the committee and for
people who did not want to shell out money they started faxing pictures of fruit cakes to the chairman's office. the fruit cakes in the mail and appearing on his fax machine would drive the committee chairman to distraction. they thought that would rattle the guy because that guy had shown weakness. he had proven he could be rattled because instead of rising to the occasion and being the adult in the room when members of the committee started saying shut up, what that chairman decided to do in july 2003 after the fruit cake, fruit cake, come here, make me, after that confrontation, what the chairman decided was not only that he had had enough, but he decided he had a novel idea for solving this problem in his committee. he called the cops. i think he actually called 911 or had a staffer call 911 from
congress and they basically told the dispatcher at the police department hey, would you say some armed police officers into the u.s. capitol to move these democrats members of my committee out of this room that they're holed in that i don't want them in there anymore and the police were like don't drag us into this, that's not what we do, and they called the house sergeant at arms and the sergeant at arms went over and checked it out and told the committee chairman that he and his committee members needed to stop being babies and they needed to work this out themselves. this was not a law enforcement issue for cops, this was a political issue, leave the cops out of it. now, to his credit that hair trigger committee chairman who called the cops later took to the floor of the house and said with a lot of contrition that he had been very wrong to call the cops. he said his decision to call the police in on other members of
congress he said it was quote, plain stupid. he didn't exactly apologize but congressman bill thomas, he did cry through his whole contrite statement on the floor of the house and it was a very humble statement and when he was done he got a big big big bipartisan standing ovation in the house for him having been so contrite about what he did which was in fact to call the cops on other members of the congress. things sometimes do go nuts. another hot summer day in 2008 in the heat of the presidential campaign that year when it was drill baby drill time in the republican party, house republicans for several days that july 2008 they all trooped down to the floor. of the house to give speeches on drilling. the lights and cameras were off but they gave these speeches anyway to drill baby drill, drill the arctic. nancy pelosi was in charge of
the house at that point. she kept the house in recess through all of those republican speeches on drilling while the republican members of congress kept taking the floor in the dark basically just talking themselves out. four years later 2012 nancy pelosi was the minority leader and she led a walk out, a dramatic walk out down the steps of the capitol by house democrats. that was when republicans were deciding to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress. congress doesn't always follow regular order. you have walk outs. you have refusing to acknowledge the house is in recess. you have people giving speeches with no microphones and keeping the lights off. you have examples of republican members of congress calling the cops on democratic members of congress not to mention the shut up, shut up, fruit cake, make me shut up fights. things sometimes get nuts in washington, especially in
summer, especially in the post 1990s congressional era we're still in where the house mostly does nothing and the minority party in the house really never is allowed do anything at all. because of that penalty up frustrations sometimes lead to a real break with regular order. there are sometimes moments when the house goes crazy and all normal functioning of our congress breaks down but those moments are rare. they do only happen every few years and even when they do happen it has never before in the history of our congress been anything like what we have been watching unfold on day today and into tonight. it was about 11:30 a.m. eastern time when georgia congressman john lewis took to the floor, invited all his colleagues to come stand on the house floor alongside him. he gave a short, intense, emotional speech about gun violence and congress not responding to it in any
meaningful way. he demanded the house vote on the narrowly targeted gun reforms that have 90% support among the american people. they want to vote on the same things that the senate demanded on vote on last week with that 15 hour filibuster. john lewis gave the short speech and then unexpect antedly he said he would not leave the floor of the house until those votes happened. and then he and the democratic members of the house who stood there with him, they did something that nobody's ever seen before. they sat down in the well of the house. there has never been a sit in on the floor of the house, never bp time. >> the time for silence and patience is long gone. we're calling on the leadership of the house to bring common sense gun control legislation to the house floor. give us a vote.
let us vote. we came here to do our job. we came here to work. >> i need to ask the republicans what do they really stand for? we stand for a moment of silence. i want you to know probably most of you don't know, i'm in a very small club in this house. i've lost a family member to gun violence. my only brother. my only sibling died at the hands of a gun. i want to know whether you stand for him because they didn't. a 5-year-old killed in my neighborhood sitting on his mother's lap, why didn't she stand for him. a 5-year-old boy playing in his backyard shot down playing football, why didn't they stand for him. i want to know what do they stand for? do they stand for trayvon mar n martin, no. did they stand for jordan davis?
no. did they stand for michael gardner or tamir rice? no, they didn't. >> if we stay here today, tonight, tomorrow and we demand a vote those cowards are allowed to vote and show where they are. we've said there aren't any republicans on the floor. there are republicans on the floor. they're hovering in the back. >> come on out. >> come on out here. >> come on out. >> speaker ryan, wherever you may be, whether you're hiding in your office or doing interviews on camera right now, do your job. remember this, you are the speaker of the house, not the speaker of the nra. you are the speaker of the entire house. republicans and democrats alike. it is time that you do your job and let us have our vote. >> america is sending out a 911
to the only first responders that they have. that's us. that's congress. there's no one else to answer that call. that's our job. that's our duty. speaker ryan, answer the call. >> mike thompson handed me this news flash that nra radio show has put out. here's the news. the nra radio show compares participates and representative john lewis's gun violence sit in to criminals and terrorists. does that firm up your determination to stand on this floor? >> yes. >> yes. >> for a body that has held hostage, a group of individuals that won't even allow us to vote, so call john lewis a terrorist because he's getting in the way. all we're asking for is a vote.
if that's a terrorist action, then i guess we're all terrorists. >> sometimes you have do something out of the ordinary. sometimes you have to make a way out of no way. we have been too quiet for too long. there comes a time when you have to sense something, when you have to make a little noise. >> that's right. >> you have to move your feet. this is the time. now is the time to get in the way. >> yes. >> the time to act is now. we will be silent no more. the time for silence is over. thank you, mr. speaker. >> the impetus for today's dramatic action is gun violence and the fact that after the
worst gun massacre in the history of our country there are no votes to respond to that massacre or the broader problem of mass shootings. the specific impetus appears to have come from two members of congress who you will be able to remember as a pair because they are lewis and clark. katherine clark is a congresswoman from massachusetts. she decided the house had to do something. she participated in the walk out last week. she felt she wanted to do something more than that. she contacted congressman john lewis from georgia to try to work with him to come up with some other way they could dramatize the problem to force some kind of action and together the two of them apparently
hatched this plan. as for how long it's going to go we don't know. it's been ten hours. when nancy pelosi when asked how long she would continue sheened until we get a bill and another said until hell freezes over. hell is still apparently hot because the democrats are still there right now as i speak and that is all because of this idea and this action started by our next two guests. joining us live from the capital. thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much for having us. >> thank you rachel. >> congressman lewis, let me start with you. i know what you've said today about what your aim is here and what moved you to do this. what specifically do you want in
order to consider this action successful? what would trigger an honorable reasonable successful end to this as far as you're concerned. >> it is my desire and the desire of my colleagues and all of us on the democratic side for the speaker and the leadership of the republicans to bring a bill. bring a bill to the floor and give us a vote. let us vote. vote for the american people. vote for the little children. vote for our mothers and our fathers, our sisters and brothers. vote for the people who died, who were hurt in orlando. that's all we're asking for. nothing more, nothing less. >> congresswoman clark, i understand that part of the reason this happened today is that you felt frustrated after
orlando that congress wasn't doing enough, that you contacted congressman lewis and the two of you came up with this plan together. is that an accurate depiction of what happened and where did you, d how did you come up with this specifically. >> specifically it came from congressman lewis who when i approached him on the floor to say how much i wanted to end the silence in congress, that i couldn't take any more moments of silence that weren't followed by action on behalf of grieving parents and grandparents and the american public, we have do something and john lewis in his way incredible generous person he is said he wanted to do something dramatic and that he was in. i knew that if we have john lewis, the icon of the civil rights era, the conscious of congress to partner with so many others wanted to join immediately and worked over the weekend to plan and pull this together.
so it may have been a conversation that i started with mr. lewis but this is really on behalf of the caucus for the american people. >> when we talk about that planning over the weekend, let me ask you about one specific part of this. part of the drama today when was the c-span cameras turned over because the republicans gavelled the house into recess. c-span doesn't control the cameras. those cameras are on when the house majority, the republicans want them to be on. in terms of your planning did you know that was going to happen? did you have a plan to work around in terms of members of congress streaming video from the floor and sending out pictures from the floor? was that an improvised tactic when this happened and it was a surprise to you. >> we thought it would happen, but the fortunately we have some very tech savvy members of congress who were able to put it on periscope and allow c-span to
film that but we have been filming and taking pictures on the floor to try and capture this moment for the american people because we had hoped they would leave the microphones on, but they didn't. and we needed to be able to have the american people understand that all we're asking for is a vote on two very common sense measures. >> congressman lewis, you are frequently described as a civil rights icon, including by your colleague there with you tonight. i know from your history you're an expert tact tissue in terms of civil rights. how long should this go on? how long are you prepared to go and how do you see it ending if congressman -- speaker paul ryan decides not to allow a vote? >> we're prepared to stay here as long as as it takes. we are saying no vote, no break,
that if we cannot have a vote, then we shouldn't break within we should just stay here. i've said to some of my colleagues that we're anchored. we shall not be moved like a tree planted by the rivers of waters. i remember during the sit ins of the 1960s when someone would ask john who should we do, i said we must find a way to dramatize the issue, make it real, make it plain, make it simple so we can educate and inspire the american people. >> congressman lewis, let me ask you one last point about what we're anticipating this hour. republican members of congress have suggested they are going to physically arrive in the chamber sometime this hour, they're going to try to move house business forward on an unrelated piece of legislation, they're talking about basically a physical confrontation between members, they're not talking about violence but they're talking about stepping over members of the democratic caucus who are occupying that floor and
sitting in. what are you anticipating there and have you talked among your members about how to respond if there is some uncomfortable physical proximity there. >> we believe in the way of peace and love and a way of nonviolence. we will respect the dignity and the worth of our colleagues but we shall not be moved. >> congressman john lewis and congresswoman clark forgive me i have been trying to give you guys the next lewis and clark that you deserve because of your work in finding this particular path tonight. good luck tonight. let us know how things go. keep us apprised. thank you. >> thank you. we have more ahead as this dramatic situation continues in the house including what we are anticipating to be the arrival of the republican members of the house in some numbers over the course of this next hour. we're going to have senator core
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democratic members of congress continue the unexpected sit in with appears to be a spontaneous gathering of people outside the capital in support of what democrats are doing inside it. we took these images within the last hour. it's twilight there in d.c. the people are chanting no break, no bill on and off. that's what our reporters say. no break no bill is what congressional democrats have been saying for over nine hours and counting tonight during the sit in on the house floor. it's unclear exactly how many people gathered outside the capital tonight. some reports indicate we were talking about hundreds but not
only the protests inside but the protests outside is till going on at the u.s. capital right now as we speak into the night tonight. much more ahead. stay with us. ♪ ♪ it's here, but it's going by fast. the opportunity of the year is back: the mercedes-benz summer event. get to your dealer today for incredible once-a-season offers, and start firing up those grilles. lease the cla250 for $299 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. what are you doing?
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today. they are rounding hour 9:00. c-span cameras only operate in the house when the house majority wants them operating and the house is in session which means we've been looking at footage like this all day because the broadcast that we're able to get from the floor of the house is basically facebook live and twitter video and pe periscope video. the rules of the house say they're not supposed to do that. they are not supposed to transmit video from the floor of the house but they have been breaking that rule all day and c-span has been taking the feed from the floor of the house since the official cameras are turned off. house democrats are demanding a vote on suspected terrorists from buying guns and background checks.
those are popular measures by 90% of the american people. large scale majority support for both measures among democrats and independents and republicans and gun owners. so far house republicans are showing no sign they're going to it allow that sort of vote. house speaker paul ryan and the house leadership seem to be indicating they plan on essentially storming the floor which the democrats are occupying in order to do other house business on totally unrelated matters on issues not at all related to gun rights. if the house republicans get there today they will find a large number of house democrats occupying that space. there's no word how the two camps will negotiate that space if the house republicans get in there and try to take over. it's a weird day. we do not get many days like this in national politics within one of the ways you could tell this day was different was when
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unprecedented sit in to try to force votes on gun reforms. we'll keep an eye on the proceedings as they continue into the late evening and perhaps overnight tonight. today has been a really interesting day in presidential politics. the art of reading well from a teleprompter is not a primary responsibility of the president of the united states, but by necessity in these modern times it is something that presidents have to do a lot and with that in mind deep breath everybody this could be your next four years. >> our country is going to start working again, jobs, people are going to start working again. parents are going to start dreaming big for their children again, including parents in our inner cities. [ applause ]
americans, americans, the people that we love, americans. america first. make our country great again. americans are going to start believing in the future of our country. >> republican presidential candidate donald trump today in his highly anticipated speech which was delayed after the orlando massacre. this was the speech his campaign promoted as essentially his definitive case against hillary clinton. the clinton campaign today responded with a rebuttal and a grueling address by hillary clinton in which she laid out her economic plan before a crowd. trump versus clinton, clinton versus trump, rinse repeat, just ad lib your bumper sticker
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in that speech tomorrow night at town hall in new york. that said in an interview on c-span today senator sanders did get pretty close to conceding. >> have you begun to prepare your speech for the convention? will you speak at the convention? >> it's hard to say. it doesn't appear i'm going to be the nominee so i'm not going to be determining the scope of the convention. >> bernie sanders saying for the first time it doesn't appear i'm going to be the nominee. so there's that. the other democratic issue that's sort of madly fizzing in presidential politics today is the question of hillary clinton's potential running mate. as i say those words the reason we are showing images of elizabeth warren is because multiple sources have confirmed that elizabeth warren is being vetted by the campaign. she's not being considered, she's being vetted. we know that because there are confirmed reports from democratic sources that senator warren met at her home in
washington, d.c. with the lawyer who is leading the vetting process for the clinton vice presidential selection. today senator warren took a high profile role sitting in with house members in their day long and now night long protest over gun rights while the clinton campaign simultaneously put out this announcement today that clinton and warren will be appearing together in cincinnati on monday for their first joint appearance since senator warren endorsed secretary clinton. clinton and warren campaigning together, talking about sharing their shared vision for the country, that doesn't necessarily mean that hillary clinton is picking elizabeth warren for her vice president. it doesn't mean she's already picked elizabeth warren for the vice president and this is the roll out but it does mean that hillary clinton is undoubtedly and knowingly raising expectations that she is going to pick elizabeth warren and raising those expectations, that itself has real political
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the biggest story is is this takeover of the house by congressional democrats. they're demanding a vote in the house on two widely popular gun reforms. house members have been sitting in in the house of representatives since before noon today. there's no sign yet of when this will end. we don't know if it will end any time tonight or if will go on through the evening and into tomorrow. this didn't exactly come out of nowhere. we know that democrats have frustrations on gun reform that have been building for months and years now but even though we know that bigger context we did not know they were going to do this today and into tonight. the surprise of this tactic, the dramatic and unprecedented nature of this tactic, the fact that we have no idea how this is going to end, that makes this the biggest domestic politics story in the country right now by a mile. the biggest international politics story in the world right now by a mile is the vote
that's going to happen tomorrow in the uk. the u kchl k is going to vote o whether or not britain is going to leave the european union. in terms of the logistics considering the time difference between us and the uk polls open at 7:00 a.m. local time tomorrow. that's 2:00 a.m. on the east coast tonight. in a few hours polls open in that vote. the polls will close 15 hours after they open so that's 10:00 p.m. local time tomorrow night in the uk and that means polls will close 5:00 p.m. eastern here tomorrow afternoon. the turnout is expected to be really really high. turnout on this vote is expected to be something like 80%, which is extraordinary. the vote is also expected to be close. suspense is going to be high not only because of the stakes of this vote but there's no exit polling at all. the first results will be real
data. they won't be projections. they're not expected until late tomorrow night our local time here on the east coast. final results will likely not be announced until 2:00 a.m. east coast time friday morning maybe. the polls have been extremely tight with very little to split. the leave camp and the remain camp. as we saw two years ago when the uk had the vote on whether scotland should be an independent country those polls were wrong. these results are going to be hugely to the uk and european union and the world and the financial markets but there's true suspense about what's going to happen with this british vote. stay with us during the day tomorrow and into the night tomorrow night as results of this historic vote start coming in. stay with us right now for more on what's going on with this dramatic scene in the u.s. capital. more ahead. cyber-crime.
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congressman john lewis told us on this program that he and his colleagues have no plans to end their sit in on the floor of the house. i kept asking how does this end, can you envision getting what you want so that it ends, how will you end it if you don't get what you want and he says they don't plan on ending so we don't know how long they're going to go. there's one thing to keep in mind. this is not a filibuster, the way you would see in the united states senate. there's no agreed upon way to hold the floor in the u.s. house. nothing like this has ever happened before. there's never been a sit in on the floor the house before. there's never been an effort to occupy the floor of the house
instead of the letting the house and majority do their business. that means in the house there aren't any existing rules to follow about how long you have to stand or whether you're allowed to step off the floor or whether you're allowed to for example use the bathroom which ends up being the human factor that limits the length of filibusters. there are no rules. house democrats are doing this in a group which means house democrats can as far as we know keep this up for as long as they want, for as long as they can physically keep people, some number of democrats on the floor of the house. they say they're staying for the long run. if they do stay for the long run that means they're going to need something to eat. for that they got some help from senator elizabeth warren today. watch. >> i brought dunkin' donuts.
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the democrats have been occupying the house floor since this afternoon. they are demanding votes on two popular gun reform measures, a vote on expanding background checks and a vote on people on the no fly list being excluded from the right to by a firearm in this country. we've been watching this all day. we had no idea how this was going to end. there's no filibuster rules in the house. there's never been a sit in before. in fact, we don't know what it would take for the house democrats to end this on their own terms. what they've said is they want to vote on those measures. we've not heard from house majority, speaker paul ryan, that he will allow a vote on these measures they want voted on. how does this end? one of the things we've been watching is noise from the republican side indications from the republican side that republican members were going to enter the house, that they were
going to enter the house sometime this evening and start other house business on matters unrelated to gun reform. when that happens, if and when that happens, what you'll see is the video feed from the house will be less fuzzy because it will no longer be a pie ratted video stream sent from the floor of the house by members of the congress basically illegally streaming video that we're picking up and others. if republicans do gavel the house back into session the real cameras will be turned back on and we'll have a clear picture. we've been watching all night to see if this is going to happen. they have sounded the buzzers in the capital to indicate the house is about to come back in session so we're expecting to see republicans walking into this scene on the house floor any moment. one of the democratic senators who has been helping out who has been sitting in with these house democrats today is senator
booker. it's great to see you. >> thank you for having me on. >> how has it been for you today participating in this? obviously you're a visitor on the house floor but you've been supporting your house colleagues. what do you think has been achieved. >> it's been inspiring. you have a bunch of house members who have said this is not going to be business as usual. a moment of silence is not enough for the greatest mass shooting in the history of the united states and to see them take this action which is not only good in the context of just the house but what it does is it inspires and informs more people in our nation to engage and put pressure like they did in the senate on house republicans to move and do something in a compromised fashion with democrats to make this a safer nation. >> there's been a lot of anticipation and i think even some worry about what we think is about to happen presently on the floor of the house which is that we're expecting republican
members of the house to basically we basical basically wade into this space to conduct business unrelated to gun reform and to try to end this. what do you anticipate is going to happen there. what are your expectations. >> this is unprecedented. i ran back so i'm sweating now to be here. paul ryan walked past me. i know something is about to go down on the floor but i sat over an hour with my house colleagues, was one of those people streaming video and they were res lut, they will not be moved. this is going to be an interest moment in the history of the house where you have democrats in an act of disowe bidance occupying the house led by one of the most esteemed members in this office. nobody has more moral authority than john lewis does.
it's going to be interesting to see how paul ryan handles this. my prayer is that despite pressure from the nra you have house republicans break with the nra and try to find common ground to move this forward. i'm hoping that happens so we can do something. it probably won't be enough to satisfy us but at least it will be a step in the right direction that criminals can exploit to get their hands on weapons. >> i know enough about your past and how you got to where you are because we've known each other a long time that you're a student of social movements and how social justice gets achieved. in that context i have to ask you about the fact there is about to be a confrontation. there is going to be a con fr t confrontation by these two sides. do you have any advice how to
make this noble. >> when you have somebody like john lewis on the floor and i had chills because i do remember the history that we share where john lewis in an act with many other hundreds of people stood on the bridge and despite tear gas and clubs and violence where he bled the soil red i think it being led by a leader john lewis i have no fear. we tend to demonize each other but i have a lot of faith having gotten to know a lot of my republican colleagues on the senate side they are good folks, they don't want a physical confrontation, i have no fear of that happening, but i do wonder i do not know how this gets resolved in this moment right now and as soon as i leave you i'm going to that floor to bear witness to what will be a historic moment.
>> we saw on your side of the capital when chris murphy took the lead in the filibuster 15 days ago that forced a vote in the senate. mitch mcconnell was willing to cave to those demands. when you helped hold that floor for so long the senate did vote, but the senate voted no not only on the democratic gun reform measures that were so popular but also on the republican sort of substitute measures on those same topics. does that feel like it was still in advance? you got the vote but the vote was no. did that just sort of satisfy the status quo. >> what happened on the senate side i know is that thousands tens of thousands of americans were calling their legislators, senator and both sides were feeling that pressure. so after that defeat it wasn't
over. you had republican senators being willing for the first time you see a lot of folks willing to buck the nra and work with democrats to find common ground to move the ball forward. i don't see it as a defeat at all. i think this was an important progression. chris murphy and others leading a filibuster, activating people that are living that tired saying of washington that change does not come from washington, it comes to washington, lots of people brought their sentiment there, their passion, republicans and democrats, gun owners and non-gun owners saying how can we be willing to sell arms to the enemy with people who are terrorist suspects being able to easily buy weapons. i'm proud of what we're seeing right now. we're seeing movement happen. there were between five and ten republican senators that were willing to go against the nra
and support susan collins effort. we're making progress. it's not what i want to see with univer universal background checks but progress is being made. the real thing right now and i think the house is saying we need more people to let their voices be heard as has been said in history the only thing necessary for evil to be try um ant is for good people to do nothing. we need to put more pressure on the congress to co something about this or else unfortunately with the regularity of blood shed in this country and with a murder day after day and every two months or so there being a mass shooting we must do something to prevent the routine blood shed that is seen nowhere else on the planet earth except here in the united states. >> cory booker joining us live. two requests, number one is stay in touch with us as this continues over the courseth